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Girl in Iran dies after protesting against the trouble from attempting to enter a stadium

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  1. adz-a32

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    The poorly educated ones are unable to question what they are told. Conservative Islam is not real Islam imo. I am not gonna preach, I'll let you drink because
    • Iran is Shia and most Muslims are Sunni
    • There are many points and nuances about this, such a long topic
    • And most importantly... I want you to have fun! Have a brandy and coke or vodka and orange juice for me!
     
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  2. Goslow

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    You keep rattling on about conservative Islam,Islam is conservative,there's no such thing as liberal Islam.
     
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  3. adz-a32

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    Oh wow... some random person online can lecture me on my own religion
     
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  4. TH63

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    Tbf @adz-a32 by the standards of most people, Islam and indeed any religion is seen as conservative, which in that context isn’t necessarily a bad thing, when it gets “bad” is when religion creeps into fundamentalism whether that’s Christian or Islam
     
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    There are many types of Islam... you can’t just generalise. For example, Quranism is very different to Wahhabism. Sadly many people have an image of Islam as Wahhabism and associate mainstream Islam with Abu Hamza and Bin Laden. I know you wouldn’t think that way as you are a wise man but many people cannot see the nuances
     
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    That’s my point exactly @adz-a32 Islam, like Christianity takes many forms.

    Forget Islam for a minute and take Christianity as an example more people might be able to identify with.

    The C of E is one of the more liberal forms of Christianity yet could still be seen as conservative by non-religious people, The Catholic Church could be argued to be more conservative and so on, right to the extremes of the Phelps mob. That bunch of loons might see themselves as Christian but they absolutely do not represent me or millions of others.
     
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    Exactly. But Goslow said “there is no such thing that as liberal Islam”. He views us all as conservatives. I don’t know if that means Wahhabists or what but I have been told by people that as a Muslim, I should do more to stop extremists. Like wtf can I do? They don’t represent me, as you implied, nor do I really believe in same faith. But I digress... the main point is that liberal Islam exists and I was countering Goslow’s ignorant point. The issue I have with many far-rightists is that they assume stuff about us but don’t even listen to us :nope:
     
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    Everything is relative.

    My argument, and I suspect goslow’s is that even liberal Muslims can appear conservative to many people. That shouldn’t mean that all Muslims identify with the radicals, in the same way that while the IRA may be catholic in name, that doesn’t mean I agree with their methods.
     
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  9. Goslow

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    You ain't no Muslim bruv.
     
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    Explain to me where liberal Islam lives and what form does it take.
     
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    There are many Muslims who are accepting of non-Muslims and the LGBT+ community. People like us exist and some live in Muslim countries, and some live in the Western world, like me. It takes a form of Islam that believes in God but believes in love for fellow humans and we are very liberal in societal values
     
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    How dare you tell me what religion I am... acting like a pompous cunt
     
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  14. Goslow

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    So a slack handful of people claiming to be Muslims without really following the tenets of the unadulterated word of God?
     
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    Just using my white privilege boy.
     
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    “Unadulterated word of God”... shows that you know fuck all. A lot of the actions done by Wahhabis and Salafists are justified via Hadiths, which are (apparent) accounts of the Prophet (PBUH). There are disagreements in which ones, if any even, are authentic
     
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    The problem with religion and the magical book is it can be interpreted any which way they please
     
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    Lowkey agree but for mainstream Muslims, Islam is more than the Qur’an. There are some pieces, which are attributed to what the Prophet (PBUH) said. The debate is which ones (if any) are authentic as some have been revealed many years after he died.

    Personally, I believe that the Qur’an has what I, as a Muslim, need but most Muslims believe in the Hadiths
     
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    Not the Koran,it was delivered directly to Mo by an angel straight from the depot(Allah)
     
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