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Sala - Carbon Monoxide Poisoning

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  1. bluethrough

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    Emiliano Sala had been exposed to a “potentially fatal” level of carbon monoxide when his plane crashed over the Channel, investigators have revealed.

    Pilot David Ibbotson, whose body has never been found, may also have succumbed to carbon monoxide poisoning onboard the doomed aircraft.

    The Cardiff City footballer had carbon monoxide level of 58 per cent in his blood, which can cause seizures, unconsciousness and heart attacks.

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    So are they hinting it is possible a gas leak rendered them both unconscious thus resulting in the pilot losing control of the plane and diving into the water?
     
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    Seems that way

    Just wondering if maybe the exhaust gasses were used in the heating system somehow and if maybe that had leaked in the cabin:shrug2:
     
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    Hopefully that was the case.
     
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    That really is a nightmare scenario, as if those conditions and the pilot's lack of ILS, bad weather, icing etc wasn't difficult enough.

    The only consolation is that they were hopefully unconscious when it hit the water.
     
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    Just found this that might shed some light


    Exhaust Shroud Heaters
    Most single-engine light aircraft use exhaust shroud heating systems to heat the cabin. Ambient air is directed into a metal shroud, or jacket, that encases part of the engine’s exhaust system. The air is warmed by the exhaust and directed through a firewall heater valve into the cabin. This simple solution requires no electrical or engine power and it makes use of heat that would otherwise be wasted. [Figures 1 and 2]

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    Figure 1.The basic arrangement of an aircraft exhaust shroud heater

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    The environmental system of a single-engine Piper aircraft with an exhaust shroud heating system

    A major concern of exhaust shroud heat systems is the possibility that exhaust gases could contaminate the cabin air. Even the slightest crack in an exhaust manifold could send enough carbon monoxide into the cabin to be fatal. Strict inspection procedures are in place to minimize this threat. Most involve pressurizing the exhaust system with air, while inspecting for leaks with a soapy solution. Some require the exhaust to be removed and pressurized while submerged under water to detect any leaks. Frequency of exhaust heat leak detection can be every 100 hours.

    Occasionally, the exhaust system is slightly modified in a shroud heat configuration. For example, an exhaust muffler may have numerous welded studs attached, which increase heat transfer to the cabin air. Each weld point is a location for a potential leak. [Figure 3]

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    Figure 3.
    An exhaust manifold with its shroud removed showing numerous welded studs used to increase heat transfer from the exhaust to the ambient air going to the cabin

    Regardless of age or condition, aircraft with exhaust shroud heating systems should contain a carbon monoxide detection device in the cockpit.
     
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    Christine Mason's off on the Facebook Page! :nope:
     
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    Carbon Monoxide would have come from the exhaust of the plane. But rather than making things OK as suggested by another poster it would add evidence that the plane was faulty and poorely maintained and therefore unfit to fly. This would give more weight to the evidence of manslaughter against the owner of the plane. We will have to wait the deciision of the lawyers in this and it adds to the mystery of what happened to the pilot.
     
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    Might explain the eratic flight path the plane took
     
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    That Steve Rees is giving her some back though - what a guy.
     
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    Who?
     
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    Don't think anyone was suggesting that it makes it ok
     
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    And the lack of any mayday
     
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    A new report from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch revealed that toxicology reports had detected high levels of the gas in Mr Sala’s blood.

    Mr Sala, 28, had just signed for Cardiff City from French side Nantes when a plane carrying him crashed into the English Channel north of Guernsey on January 21.

    His body was found onboard the wreckage on February 4, but the 59-year-old pilot is still missing.

    The AAIB said that “in this type of aircraft, the cockpit is not separated from the cabin, and it is considered likely that the pilot would also have been affected to some extent by exposure to carbon monoxide.”

    The report also details how "poor sealing of the cabin or leaks into the heating or ventilation system from the exhaust" can allow the gas to enter the cabin.

    A statement said: “The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) has published a second Special Bulletin on the loss of Piper Malibu aircraft N264DB. This Special Bulletin highlights the danger of exposure to carbon monoxide in both piston and turbine engine aircraft.

    “Toxicology tests found that the passenger had a high saturation level of COHb (the combination product of carbon monoxide and haemoglobin).

    “It is considered likely that the pilot would also have been exposed to carbon monoxide.”

    They added: “The AAIB is working with the aircraft and engine manufacturers and the National Transportation Safety Board in the USA to identify possible pathways through which CO might enter the cabin of this type of aircraft.

    “Work is also continuing to investigate pertinent operational, technical, organisational and human factors which might have contributed to the accident.

    “Whilst this work is ongoing, this Special Bulletin is issued to raise awareness within the General Aviation community of the dangers of exposure to CO and the measures available to detect its presence in the cabin in order to mitigate this potentially fatal risk. A final report will be published in due course.”

    Two people are facing jail after accessing CCTV footage of the footballer's post-mortem examination while he was at Bournemouth Mortuary.

    Christopher Ashford, 62, and Sherry Bray, 48, admitted illegally accessing the footage in February.

    Another pilot, David Henderson was arrested over the crash in June but was released under investigation.

    The 64-year-old, from York, is said to have arranged for Mr Ibbotson to cover the flight for him.

    Mr Henderson worked regularly for Willie McKay, an agent linked to Sala's transfer from FC Nantes.
     
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    She ought to shut up and go and check behind the fridge, City fan my arse
     
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