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What does this mean for Brexit?

Discussion in 'Cardiff City Forum' started by Colonel Cardiffi, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. lardy

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    There's every chance that Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave the union and I won't be blaming the EU for that.
     
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  2. Boo

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    "Every chance" or a remote possibility? This kind of hyperbole is rife in the Brexit debate. Its what de-railed the campaigns for both sides in 2016.
     
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  3. lardy

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    Well 2019 will be 5 years since a fairly close 55-45 Scottish referendum, a much smaller gap than the 62-38 in favour of being in the EU. Come it's 10 year anniversary, if Brexit has had the negative impact on the economy that most are expecting, I wouldn't bet against a re-run with a Leave vote. If there hadn't been a recent referendum then I would say remote, but the seeds are most definitely there, especially if they are out of the EU either way.

    As for NI, there's always been a sizeable number who would be happy enough to unify the island. If the border goes badly then that will rise. They voted to remain by a bigger proportion than Scotland.

    I can't see that either would be happy to pitch in with Westminster if things go badly. Obviously I'm not including Wales as there is no evidence of appetite for a break.
     
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  4. Stantona

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    Roll on Fekin Wexit!!!
     
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  5. TH63

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    You're probably right, the devolution vote was pretty close, and I've not seen much serious campaigning from anyone for an independence vote and certainly no objective data which would allow us to make an informed decision about what's best for Wales.
    I suspect however, that in a post-brexit world, living off the scraps fed to us from Westminster, we'll be looking back on the EU with fondness.
    Whether that translates into a real appetite for independence and possible EU membership in our own right remains to be seen.
     
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  6. Colonel Cardiffi

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    There's more of an appetite for Welsh independence than ever before. (Unless you ask staunch Englishman Splott Dai)
     
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  7. Splott Dave

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    No Lardy, there's no chance of that happening.
     
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  8. Arkay Dubya

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    I'll be honest and say it's the first time I've ever considered it as an option but it would take a specific set of circumstances to play out and some coherent facts / plans for me to be convinced it was a good idea. Saying that, I don't live in Wales anymore and have no intention of ever doing so again, so maybe I should keep my nose out!

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  9. lardy

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    Maybe but it's still low. Nowhere near the scottish passion and not close to even being discussed seriously.
     

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    Nothing is "no chance" in today's world.
     
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  11. Splott Dave

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    93 years and two world wars? I don't think so. There is no appetite at all. The only chance the nationalists will have of gaining political power, is if they mount a revolution similar to that which occurred in Ireland or Russia.
     
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  12. Colonel Cardiffi

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    So the commonwealth countries are simply given their lands back but we would have to fight for ours back?
     
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  13. Splott Dave

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    MSM hysteria leaves me unmoved. Everyone forgets that there is no mechanism for any of the twenty eight countries to ever leave the EU. They also forget that the electorate were never given the opportunity to vote, on going in to a political union with what was then, just seven European countries.
     

  14. Colonel Cardiffi

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    I see what you're saying mate. You want Israel to join the EU.
     
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  15. lardy

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    No one has forgotten that you think that. You must have said it at least 50 times, and here's one more, quoting a post in a discussion about Scottish/Northern Irish independence.
     

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    Part of the price that we had to pay to get the USA into WW2 was that we would relinquish countries that Britain ruled over. Defence cutbacks in the 60's led to even more countries cutting their ties with Britain. People also forget that the Heath government prepared to shaft Australia and New Zealand as far as trade was concerned, to enter into what was then wrongly described as a 'Common Market'. The Tories misled parliament and lied to the country about the true nature of Britain's entrance, along with the inevitable hidden agenda linked to our entrance.
     

  17. Colonel Cardiffi

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    Well I don't see the problem, it's not like the electorate were never given the opportunity to vote, on going in to a political union.
     
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  18. LordKenwyne

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    given the welsh public have never been educated on the subject properly you're probably right. As they take the vast majority of their news from the english press.

    Change that fact then anything is possible.
     
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  19. Colonel Cardiffi

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    Support a national press for Wales! - https://nation.cymru/
     
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    Without wishing to take this genuinely interesting thread of tangent.
    This is the most distressing discovery that is linked to brexit yet.
    WTF Nat...
     
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